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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:35:00 -
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Edited by: Ginger Magician on 13/01/2006 01:38:52 Edited by: Ginger Magician on 13/01/2006 01:38:09 Like the topic says this situation is soon to come about in EVE csuse of the recent nerfs to piracy which have resulted in a number of corps and well known pirates either changign their ways or becoming mostly inactive. Although it is ofc possible that new players will rise to replace them given the extreme hardship now faced by a career pirate it seems unlikely many will succeed. So the question for all the pirate hunters and pvp lovers out there is - if there is no easy pirate targets at -10 who can be hunted and killed without consequence will u still play eve?
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari I'm in a Ginger Magician thread
Your in every bloody thread that ever was
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Posted - 2006.01.13 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii Pirates are such a small percentage of EVE.
As the corps grow in size, and expand, they contest with other corps which creates pvp.
Thats where the combat will occur, in distant 0.0 reachs of space as people fight it out for control.
Not tanking gate sentries with 8 stabs, ganking newbes..
So u would be happy if 0.4 to 0.1 space was totally safe because lets be clear that is the space that pirates operate in not 0.0.If there r no pirates there would be no combat of any kind in 0.1 to 0.4 because alliance and opportunistic pvpers will not take the security hits for it as well as the new eye for an eye consequences of unlawful combat.
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Posted - 2006.01.13 04:00:00 -
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This thread is not about me or my exploits in EVE.It is a general discussion and exploration of the fall in pirate numbers in the game and the nerfs that have caused that fall.Please keep on topic with your posts.
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Posted - 2006.01.13 14:34:00 -
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Well some interesting reponses.
It seems a small majority are not concerned that piracy is dying out and will continue to play EVE regardless.A number of you have asked what nerfs - if your not a pirate u wont really understand these nerfs so i wont bore u with techical details but the fact is rmr was the biggest nerf to piracy there has ever been hence the dying out of the profession. As it stands however u can rest assured that the continual nerfs to piracy and the lack of any postive encouragement whatsoever will mean there will be almost no pirates in 0.1 to 0.4 within a few months.Whether that actually matters or not remains to be seen.
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Posted - 2006.01.13 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ginger Magician on 13/01/2006 18:00:13
Originally by: Kalixa Hihro Edited by: Kalixa Hihro on 13/01/2006 17:57:28
Originally by: Ginger Magician recent nerfs to piracy which have resulted in a number of corps and well known pirates either changign their ways or becoming mostly inactive.
So the question for all the pirate hunters and pvp lovers out there is - if there is no easy pirate targets at -10 who can be hunted and killed without consequence will u still play eve?
First you need to define pirate. The term is often mis-used to mean any player that pvp's or shoots at people in low sec space or is "bad". Some people call ore theives pirates.
In the truest sense of the word, a pirate is one who steals your cargo and ransoms you, often with death and ship loss resulting if you fail to comply with their demands.
People that go around looking for a fight or killing everyone they see are not pirates, they just want pvp action.
Then once you define pirate, you need to tell me what got nerfed LOL. I still see snipers, gate camps etc, so I am not aware of any nerf per se. If anything, it's getting easier with the new interdiction ships... They can just **** warp bubbles out. No teardown and setup time as far as I know. I saw a sniper tempest yesterday 204km away from a gate solo. If he can hit me from that far away, there is nothing broke.
I think some pirates are changing their ways simply because of the number of people hunting them, people are learning how to outsmart them, and the fact that it's not all that profitable. Have you ever done a gate camp? it's boring and dangerous if you are in the wrong place when an alliance is moving freighters.
There will always be pirates.... yarr
-Kal
Sorry to say but that is most ignorant post in the whole of this thread.If u know nothing about a subject its normally better u keep your mouth closed
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Posted - 2006.01.13 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoto Luyi There is no chance there will ever be an EVE without pirates.
Certain styles of gameplay may be restricted, but piracy only needs open PvP areas and a lack of major Concord interference. I don't see 0,0 or lowsec suddenly becoming ultrasafe.
Bit like UO - they added 'empire' (Trammel) but Fel was always there for anyone who wanted a real fight instead of *****ing around in 'empire' pretending to be a real PK.
U misunderstand the premise of my thread.I have never said that there will be no more PVP especially in 0.0 which is totally unaffected by these changes.And of course empire wars will continue.What we are discussing in piracy in 0.1 to 0.4 space.That is what has changed and is changing right now on TQ. If there r no pirates in 0.1 to 0.4 will u still play EVE - that is the question or conversely assuming 0.1 to 0.4 has no pirates is this really a change for the better in the running of EVE - discuss
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Posted - 2006.01.14 08:18:00 -
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Yeah baby your right
1.All pirates r greifer scumbags 2.Concord should be able to kill u in low sec and pop your pod 3.make sentry gun ranges unlimited 4.increase sentry damge so u die in one pop in a titan.
etc,etc,etc
On a more realistic note it would be nice to get a dev reply to this thead.There has been a lot of interest in it and given that piracy has no had a single word from devs in like a year would be interesting to hear what they think is the future of piracy IMO its very bleak indeed right now.
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Posted - 2006.01.14 10:35:00 -
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Being -5 or more has always been extremely difficult and now its even more so.Thats why u c a lot of people in the game who have tried pirating and gone to -5 or more but have now got their ss back up again.TBH even myself without a carebear alt who can travel anywhere in EVE would be unable to continue in the piracy career. There r only a very few hardcore pvpers/pirates who can continue to play with any enjoyment while more than -5.Unfortunately this is what CCP wants and they r getting it.Like i posted before the consequences of this remain to be seen but have no doubt about it its happening and its here right now.
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Posted - 2006.01.14 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zyper Ransom them = no kill rights on you :D
Instant local and the nerfing of damage mod stacking has meant that ransoming ships became almost impossible.Anyone who knows why damagemod stacking penalty made it harder to ransom wins a btw:P
The best pirates are also the most well known and infamous through the EVE galaxy.In my case it is rare whne i enter local that someone does not speak to me within 30 seconds
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Posted - 2006.01.14 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Megadon
Originally by: Ginger Magician
U misunderstand the premise of my thread.I have never said that there will be no more PVP especially in 0.0 which is totally unaffected by these changes.And of course empire wars will continue.What we are discussing in piracy in 0.1 to 0.4 space.That is what has changed and is changing right now on TQ. If there r no pirates in 0.1 to 0.4 will u still play EVE - that is the question or conversely assuming 0.1 to 0.4 has no pirates is this really a change for the better in the running of EVE - discuss
Ginger,
Why won't there be pirates in 0.1 - 0.4 space? It's not my profession so I'm not up to speed on exactly how kill rights effect this but could you share your viewpoint on this? I'm not getting it. thanks.
There has been massive nerfs to piracy for some time now and RMR introdued the biggest ever nerfs to piracy seen in the game since its inception.If your are not a pirate u woulndt really understand the technicalities of it but u can rest assured that this is the case and the fall in pirate numbers and activity since rmr confirms it anyway. This iussue affects all players of EVE even carebears.If no ships r destroyed in low empire space by players then demand for ships is going to fall drastically and from that there is fall in demand for tech 2 equipment pos materials etc etc - its all one long chain.Unfortunately CCP has listened to all the whiners and declared amongst themselves that piracy is bad for the game and taken the decesion to make empire piracy so difficult and unprofitable that basically the profession is in danger of dying out.
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Posted - 2006.01.14 19:45:00 -
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I will try and outline some of the nerfs introduced in RMR and from before. Most pirates are highly skilled pvpers and prefer to work solo or in small groups. The increase in hps of ships and their increased tanking ability i.e reduction in cap booster charge size etc has meant that even highly skilled pirates are unable to solo battleship targets at gates apart from the odd noob fitted with medium mods. Secondly gank setups no longer work - it takes far longer to kill targets regardless of your setup as the old dps u had in cold war is no longer possible.Ships that take longer to kill have more time to escape and there is only so much time u have before a pirate must warp out - if under fire from sentries or your target will reach the gate. Sniping has been badly affected by the stack mod penalties and is now only successful in large groups.The severe penalties affecting remote sensor boosters mean that lock times have increased and hence more targets can escape. Eye for an eye while not affecting me or any pirate more than -5 has reduced the combat of those players who tend to keep around -2 or so so they can sort of part time pirate.Personally i have little sympathy for these part time pirates but now they can be killed by their victims in even 1.0 for up to a month afterwards means this option to part time piracy has obviously become a lot less attractive.
Other nerfs which have come in in the last year include the smartbomb/pod nerf the 15 min timer and various nerfs related to gangs and the map.
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Posted - 2006.01.14 23:33:00 -
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Inferno you r just a ******* alliance carebear.You know nothing about piracy or pvp. Your security status is 5.0 and u been in stain alliance for more than 1 year. Go PVE and keep out of threads on which u can offer no valid opinions.
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Posted - 2006.01.15 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Syme Ginger As one of your recent victims I can only concur that the removal of rates would ruin the game. It was an absolute pleasure to be blown up by you.
Thank you.It was a pleasure to pop u too lol. Its a great shame that this sort of attitude is not more prevalent in the game.This guy lost well over 30mill when i popped his iteron 5 yet he still has the balls to say well done as he appreciated the superior skills that enabled me to kill him where others had failed. But unfortunatley the prevalent attitude is either that us pirates are all greifer scumbags and you carebears are all noobs/non skilled players. Neither statement is correct. We all know that balancing the game is difficult - but the way it is now pirates have become an endangered species and without some help in future patches they may well become extinct in the not too distant future.
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Posted - 2006.01.15 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Timothia My god ginger. It doesn't exactly take that much superior skills to blow up an industrial now does it
NO.But when u have blown up 2500 u do tend to get a bit of a reputation
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Velsharoon K ginger well dome , but insulting inferno you destroyed what little credibility this thread has
And how do you know you succeeded when others had failed when killing syme. Fact is your not godlike, your skills are possessed by all pirates: You are nothing special.
All that is unique is people laugh at you. Do you see people laughing at nero? No because he makes sensible arguments. If your gonna make an argument then make it properly instead of insulting peoples intelligence by saying they wouldnt understand.
Yes your a pirate, but no one respects you for it. Doesnt that tell you something?
Maybe but then ex-carebear gank squad pussies opinions dont really count actually.What i said about inferno was the simple truth thats why he got so upset about it.And syme told me he had escaped in his iteron 5 several times from pirate attacks which why i said that. The fact is i am the best known player in the game - and my opinions count whether u like it or not.
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Posted - 2006.01.15 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Fester Addams
Originally by: Ginger Magician
The fact is i am the best known player in the game - and my opinions count whether u like it or not.
I beg to differ, Im not a very high profile player but I have read alot of posts on the forum and have been an active player from this chars birth till now and I dont have the foggiest idea who you are apart from what I have read in this thread.
I do know of alot of people ingame, imfamous or famous, The Reverend, Viceroy, Tzadkiel, Winterblink so on and so forth. Your name however has made no impression whatsoever on me good or bad.
If youy are as bad as you seem to think then a player like me should have your name in my head with a pathetic warning next to it like I have for the name TankCEO but no.
As for your opinions counting, naturally they do but only as much as my opinions do or your average random players opinion does.
As for the destruction of 2500 industrials giving you a reputation... yes it does, for keeping track of that many industrial kills you get the reputation pathetic in my mind and thus you slide into the same category as TankCEO.
And on the issue of TankCEO, I never have been able to get over his very amusing claim that you should not be able to simply gank people for no reason that he made while playing the Lineage2 beta :)
Why lie so badly Fester.If i havent killed u i am sure i have at least fired on you. Its impossible that u dont know who I am.Jealousy is bad mm...kay/\
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Posted - 2006.01.16 01:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/01/2006 01:14:17 Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/01/2006 01:12:50
Originally by: Zell
I think this Gingerspice thread has run its course. We all agreed that pirates are not going anywhere. We also all agree that gingey boy should..
This thread has 5000 views and 200 posts or soemthing like that.The last one u made had about 10 i think.I wonder why that is dont u?
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Posted - 2006.01.16 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Darlan Flame The idea that pirates are complaining about eye for an eye is the biggest load of crap I've ever read on the internet.
Go cry in WoW you freaking babies.
True pirates r not complaining about it as i said before.However it has affected the gameplay of those who prefer to keep their ss to a level where they can still enter empire freely.
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Posted - 2006.01.16 01:38:00 -
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Response ([GM]Rendo) - 01/05/2006 05:34 PM Hi Robert,
What you experienced is not a bug. If you attack and kill another player then he receives kill rights on you. He can then attack you anywhere in empire space without Concord intervention. If you retaliate then Concord will intervene if you are in a empire system. According to the devs then this is how it was designed and it's not a bug. If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to contact us again. We'll do all we can to help.
Best regards, The EVE Online Customer Support Team
This is what kill rights means. What are peoples opinions of this and do u think that u would be tempted to commit unlawful pvp in low security space knowing that for a month afterwards your victim can kill u anywhere in empire and all u could do was run away?
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Posted - 2006.01.16 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gericault m0id Edited by: Gericault m0id on 16/01/2006 01:24:36 I'm fairly sure it's already been mentioned. But I can't help but to feel sorry for Ginger Magician, no matter how ebil pirate he might be, for that 'I'm a virgin' navy raven loss.
So Ginger, when I see you in local I don't think about what evil piratey things you could do to me, but rather of that glorious time I first sat down to hear you sing a Madonna song.
I dislike pirates, but their existence makes the game worth playing.
I dont fly faction ships or use faction mods plus i'm no singer.would u care to explain your post plz.
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Posted - 2006.01.16 10:20:00 -
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TO DEVS
Doesnt this thread deserve a response? It has got more interest than many of the stickys.What is the future of piracy? Do u even care if it doesnt exist in future? Please give us some reponse.
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Posted - 2006.01.16 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Scalor Valentis Dear ginger magican, you might feel that piracy is dead (and i got no idea why you feel that way). But that may be beacuse you are to short sighted to explore all the forms of it. (not stupid, just need someone to cure your myopia )
If you call piracy sitting in Battleship at gate and trying to kill indy or two, i pitty you. Never the less, as long you can activate a offensive module on player anywhere in space, no matter how nerffed and what consequenses, there will be piracy.
You shuld talk to Viceroy, Siddy or Vex seraphim abaut new forms of piracy/anti piracy. or join Chanel: Team Dirkastan PW:Jihad where we can talk abaut present state of piracy, wich isint dead by long shot. Or go to Channel: D-C and amuse everyone with your sparkling personality
btw, like my sig?
This post is so funny.Lets get to dissecting it anyway: Viceroy = currently a member of caldari provisions for 2 months with ss of -1.8 Siddy = member of evolution bob allaince ss 0.8 Vex seraphim = currently member of allasta ss -1.1
These players 2 of which r in noob corps while they might have been pirates previously have not been proper -10 pirates for a very long time.We are discussing todays state of affairs on TQ not past glories on this thread.
Secondly u refer me to channel D-C : I know this channel well.If u go to it u will be very hard pressed to find any player -5 or more.Most of the discussions tend to centre on the size of females boobies and which are the best agents to run missions for to get snake implants or some other crap.Its hardly cutting edge or piracy.
Thirdly how u have the cheek to even post on this thread is remarkable.Do u think i have forgotten u? You were the worst pirate in the history of metropolis region and after i poded u 3 times in a row and u had no ships or assets left in the game u ran off crying to play wow or some other crap and that was more than a year ago.Your mate Siddy is also residing in my morgue.I keep u side by side btw
And that gentlemen is that
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Posted - 2006.01.16 19:19:00 -
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Well if piracy isnt dead then im happy.However this afternoons experience for me was very depressing. I have 40mill sps and i have killed maybe 3000 or more ships. Today i could not kill several thoraxes due to their incredible new overtanking capacity 6-7 volleys of tech 2 cruise missiles would not kill these ships A wolf survived 8 volleys of tech 2 precesion cruise - in fact he tanked it quite easily and that was with a heavy nosferatu and medium neutralizer on his ship - I almost lost my bs to gate guns during this encounter as he constantly approached me and threw me out of warp several times - i finally manged to warp with 50% armor and im a shield tanker right now.his armor was still more than 50%.
Its just a joke for the solo pirate now.At best u can kill a few noob tech 1 frigs and indies while under fire from guns - the rest will tank u or reach the gate before u can destroy them.Prior to RMR the only ships i could not kill at gates were heavy tanked bs.I have even soloed hac at gates - all now quite impossible
I dont want to whine but what exactly are pirates supposed to do? Unless your in one the very few remaining large pirate corps and have 5 mates online u might as well log off/
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Posted - 2006.01.17 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: BillyBong2 Nope, I like the risk of going into low sector space. I also like to fight back
I think the vaSt majority of EVE players feel this way.But the fact is low security is becoming less and less dangerous.If ur just travelling gate to gate and then station your risk of being attacked is now substantially less than before.If u got half a clue and u know how to tank your ship or fit wcs then low security is not really more risky than high.
It just doesnt pay to kill ships at gates - belt piracy is next to impossible because of the wcs/no ransom methods .The only thing left for pirates is 0.0 low security is finished as far as piracy goes now.
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Posted - 2006.01.17 14:10:00 -
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This thread has even surprised me 250 post and 6000 views.Thx to all those who have contributed to it so far.
Maybe if we get to 100000 views we might get a dev reponse on the future of piracy
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Posted - 2006.01.18 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: David Sinclair But let's turn this around: What's the benefit to the game of gate camps? How does a random chance of you getting ganked at each gate a benefit? It's not piracy. I'm not being forced to turn over my cargo or ransomed. It is simply malice from the lowest slime who get their jollies ruining someone else's day. This is supposed to be a game for recreation, creating situations whose only benefit is making people's lives more frustrating is simply wrongheaded.
The classic carebear attitude exemplified in this statement.However he makes an interesting point - what is the benefit of gate camps? The answer to this question is what makes the game tick.If there were no gate camps there would be far fewer ships destroyed in the game.Far fewer ships destroyed means far less demand for ships less demand for modules less demand for minerals less demand for ore less demand for moon materials etc etc etc. Unfortunately CCP have not realised this simple fact.Already the market for low end minerals and ore in the game has collapsed trit is now selling at around 1.50 as opposed to 2.00 a few weeks ago.Similar price drops have been seen in the market for other low end minerals.If there r no pirates in low security space we are going to see vast increases in the number of barge mining ops belt stripping ore in 0.4 and below as now goes on in higher security space. This is the inevitable result of the carebearing of low space - oversupply of all ships and modules prices dropping and dropping and ultimately its all the carebear miners and manufacturers who are going to suffer from this foolishness.Pirates will simply move to 0.0 space and continue their business there making 0.0 even more dangerous for inexperienced players than it is already surely the complete opposite of what CCP desire. Just watch this space.
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Posted - 2006.01.20 11:27:00 -
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The effects of these nerfs r starting to be felt on the market. Tritanium price has dropped dramatically and i have noticed a number of complaints from miners that low end ore is not worth mining anymore.This drop in price of trit has undoubtedly been caused by fall in demand for ships since rmr came out as less are being blown up.It must be extremely rare that a bs is destroyed in 0.1 to 0.4 space now and those are of course the biggest users of trit. I wonder if there is any way to check the stats of ships destroyed pre and after rmr.
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Posted - 2006.01.20 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mog Datix
Originally by: Ginger Magician The effects of these nerfs r starting to be felt on the market. Tritanium price has dropped dramatically and i have noticed a number of complaints from miners that low end ore is not worth mining anymore.This drop in price of trit has undoubtedly been caused by fall in demand for ships since rmr came out as less are being blown up.It must be extremely rare that a bs is destroyed in 0.1 to 0.4 space now and those are of course the biggest users of trit. I wonder if there is any way to check the stats of ships destroyed pre and after rmr.
Nope, read the macro miner sticky - belts are being stripped way more than ever nowadays, hence the market is flooded with low end minerals.
As for the initial question, yes, I'd still play.
Not true.Macros were with us long before RMR.But the sharp fall in price of low mins only occured after RMR.Explain that.
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